The Glade

strengthen the magic of your life-force energy in community - throughout the seasons

Welcome to the Glade

Right here, in these turbulent, raw, tumultuous and path-shifting times, more and more humans are longing for gentle, compassionate, nurturing spaces where we can reconnect with ourselves, each other, with life’s essence. Spaces where we can breathe, be held, feel, rest, grieve, express, connect, celebrate, regenerate, let go and let grow.

Places where nothing is required of us, other than showing up and participating as much or as little as we want. Where there is nothing to prepare, produce, perfect or achieve. Where there is no homework, no replays or deadlines. No relentless flow of information or demands of our time and energy. No striving. No rushing.

Spaces where we simply come together to follow Nature’s cycles and seasons, and remember ways that our ancestors used to lead themselves well through life; through rituals, ceremony, togetherness, poetry, gentle movement and nourishing foods.

The Glade is a place where we gather to practice strengthening the magic of our life-force energy in community, throughout the seasons.

The Glade invites you to deepen your relationship to self-nourishment so that you can step into your life-serving leadership with integrity

Leading, activating, creating, guiding, holding, educating, innovating for change, is not for the faint-hearted.

It takes courage and patience. Wisdom, purpose and strength. It also takes boundaries, focus and commitment to nourishing ourselves. It can be tough out there, in the trenches of every-day life. Depleting our resources and burning out is part of the old way of doing life and work.

Only when we thrive can we truly be in service to life. That’s when we can show up with both intention and integrity.

The Glade invites you to take some time out every month connect deeply with yourself and your own living system in community, and nourish your whole being, so that you can regenerate, inside-out, and thrive just that little bit more. When you thrive as a creator of change, you shine. And you can become a guiding light – for yourself, and those around you too.

Introducing

The Glade

for Changemakers everywhere

14th November 2024 - 25th September 2025

The Glade is an 11 month membership that holds space for you to:

Breathe, ground and soften through turbulent, raw and extraordinary times

Turn down the noise so you can hear your own heart & tune into your inner compass

Reflect on your journey through life in gentle & creative ways

Connect with practises, ceremonies and rituals inspired by those of Norse & Celtic Ancestors – you can of course enjoy these no matter what your own heritage is!

Practise becoming more connected to your body and it’s wisdom

Be held and supported in a non-judgemental, loving, brave container

Tune into healthy moon (feminine) and sun (masculine) ways of doing, being and creating 

Connect with different trees and their wisdom and symbolism

Nourish your body with healthy seasonal foods through easy recipes sent to through the Glade’s monthly newsletter

Be inspired by, and form connections and friendships with other change creators

* RECONNECT * REST * REGENERATE *

No videos to watch, nothing to prepare, nothing to produce, perform or achieve. Come as you are.
Show up when you want & lean in.

Every month in the Glade

ONE Live MONTHLY CEREMONY

ONE LIVE MONTHLY Group Coaching Circle

Safe & Brave Space

International Changemaker Community

Tree of the month

MOnthly newsletter with FOLKLORE, RECIPIES & POETRY

PLAYLISTS TO REFLECT AND MOVE TO

Optional 1-2-1 Support

In relentless times we need gentle spaces.
Spaces for resilience, connection, creativity & care.

Is the Glade membership for me?

THE GLADE MEMBERSHIP IS FOR YOU IF YOU:

  • Long for a safely and bravely held and facilitated space where you can show up as you are and be who you are 
  • Crave a space where you can choose to participate as much or as little as you want
  • Long for a sense of connection, friendship, community, common humanity
  • Sometimes feel lonely in your leadership role in your heart-led business, as a change maker at work, or at home
  • Would love gentle support with reflecting upon and integrating what you are moving through in your life in simple and creative ways
  • Want to be part of something where you never have to feel like you are behind, where there is nothing to prepare, nothing to produce 
  • Feel curious about how to live and lead in alignment with Nature’s cycles and seasons
  • Feel drawn to learning more about the symbolism of trees, folklore and ancestral ways to nourish your whole being 
  • Understand that prioritising time and space for your nourishment means you can show up more present and alive at home and at work for the important people and projects in your life

The Glade: a place where magic lives

The English word glade comes from an Old Norse word meaning bright.

A glade is an opening amongst forest trees, where the branches are fewer, and sunlight can shine through and touch the forest floor. It is a place of light amidst the dark and unknown forest. For this reason, it is often portrayed as a place of enchantment, where magic lives.

The Glade membership is a space where we come together to practice nourishing, nurturing and strengthening the magic of our life-force energy in community throughout the seasons.

"...try creating a clearing in the dense forest of your life and wait there patiently until the song that is yours alone to sing falls into your open cupped hands and you recognise and greet it..."

Martha Postlethwaite

The Glade 2024-2025

NOVEMBER 2024

THE JOURNEY INTO THE UNKNOWN & SAMHAIN

Dates for your diary

14th November Opening Ceremony
21st November Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CET

Our Celtic & Norse ancestors celebrated their New Year at the end of October and early November. This is when the season of ‘The Winter Nights’ began, and harvest offerings made to fertility deities and ancestors. It is also when, later, farmworkers seasonal contracts ended, and they set off to begin a new chapter of life elsewhere. As we step into & gather in the Glade, we lean into the endings and beginnings in our own lives at this time. We acknowledge that we are here because of our ancestors, and their trust in the mystery of life’s cycles. We tune into what we want to bury in the ground for safekeeping and deep nourishment during the winter months. 

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership. 

DECEMBER 2024

WINTER SOLSTICE: THE ART OF GENEROSITY

Dates for your diary

12th December Group Coaching
19th December Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

As the season of light festivals and Yule begin, we lean into the themes of generosity, reciprocity and interdependence. We get curious around the difference between taking and receiving, and the places within us they come from. We tune into the necessary conditions within and without in order for the spirit of generosity to truly thrive. We lean into the areas of our lives where we are over-giving or fearful of being taken advantage of. Where we are leaking energy and where we would like to give more. We look at the links between the art of receiving and the art of giving. 

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership. 

 

JANUARY 2025

DEEP WINTER: REST & RESILIENCE

Dates for your diary

16th January Group Coaching
23rd January Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

We are now in the midst of deep winter, and this is a time to embrace the spirit of rest. We lean into different types of rest and what we need right now. We get curious about our relationship to rest and the ways we resist, delay or even deny it. We courageously look at what drives us to avoid rest. We also lean into the concept of resilience and the ways it has become a tool for oppression, not liberation. We look at how we can strengthen our relationship to rest and craft our own personal definition of resilience in our lives. We enjoy a whole- being relaxation as part of our January coaching circle. 

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

FEBRUARY 2025

IMBOLC: EMBRACING THE LIMINAL SPACE

Dates for your diary

6th February Ceremony
20th February Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CET

Imbolc is an ancient Celtic fire festival celebrated in early February, halfway between the Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox, marking the beginning of the first stirrings of spring.

It’s a time when the first snowdrops peep out of the frosty ground, and we witness the first signs that Mother Earth is once again pregnant with new life. Imbolc thus means: ‘in the belly’. It is about the germination of new life and the expectant energy of the early days of spring.

Imbolc is a beautiful time for us to tune into the quality of our inner soil and prepare it for welcoming new life. It’s a time to gently awaken our creativity and use the wisdom gleaned during our winter months as nutrients for our onward journey.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

MARCH 2025

SPRING EQUINOX: NEW BEGINNINGS

Dates for your diary

6th March Group Coaching
20th March Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

In March we are joined by the energy of Ostara, the Goddess of new beginnings and Spring Equinox! The light is returning after many months in darkness. The time is ripe to awaken and bring out our gardening tools. We tune into the seeds we want to plant in our inner and outer soil – whether at work, in our business, at home or in our leadership. We courageously declare what we deep down really want to birth and bring fourth in this season of our lives and service.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

APRIL 2025

PRUNING, BOUNDARIES & MAKING SPACE FOR ABUNDANCE

Dates for your diary

10th April Group Coaching
24th April Ceremony

Both start 7pm CEST

The April Pink Full Moon invites us to lean in further towards our relationship with life’s abundance. When we become intentional about tuning into what nourishes us, inside-out, and decide that we are worthy of receiving and enjoying that, we will automatically become aware of patterns, behaviours, relationships, choices, places that will need to fall away. Pruning is essential for a garden to become all it can be.

We get curious about where it is time we set better boundaries and what we need to say a loving no to, if we want to live resilient, joyful and nourished lives.  

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

MAY 2025

BELTANE: HONOURING YOUR CREATIVITY

Dates for your diary

8th May Ceremony
22nd May Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

Imbolc nudged us to say yes to our creativity, and Beltane invites us to dive in deeper. Our creativitity is our innate life force energy and we can only access it fully by getting into our bodies: to dance, move, and celebrate what is emerging, evolving, growing in our lives. 

Like Samhain, our ancestors felt that the time of Beltane, when all of Nature is blossoming, is a time when the veil between the worlds is thin, and the spirits of Nature are awake and surround us. This is a time to step out, to reclaim your inner fire, and create from your heart.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

JUNE 2025

SUMMER SOLSTICE: EMBRACING OUR LIGHT & LEGACY

Dates for your diary

5th June Group Coaching
19th June Ceremony

Both start 7pm CEST

It is the brightest time of the year and is an invitation to see clearly what we may have pushed into dark corners. It is a time when Nature helps us to ‘reveal all’ and to stop pretending. We get curious about the stuff that holds us back from shining bright and bringing our innate gifts to the world. We work with the two voices of shame: ‘not enough, and too much’ and sense into: who could I be and what could I leave behind if I chose to embrace my inner light? The Oak leads the way.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

JULY 2025

THE ART OF SELF-NOURISHMENT

Dates for your diary

10th July Ceremony
31st July Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

We are in the height of summer and a time when many travel to new places. What if this time could be a time of journeying deeper into ourselves too, and embrace a new level of self-nourishment? What if this season could be one of detoxing from pushing, striving and achieving? 

When we let go of striving, pure creative life-force energy can flow freely in the ecosystem of our lives.

We become disinterested in constantly doing & filling our diaries to the brim. We lose interest in chasing after things & status symbols & accolades. 

In July we sense into our relationship to striving and what we are ready to practise letting go of, as we say yes to the Art of Self-Nourishment.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership.

AUGUST 2025

LUGHNASA: GRATITUDE & LEADERSHIP

Dates for your diary

14th August Ceremony
28th August Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

The Celtic Fire Festival of Lughnasa, marking the beginning of the harvest season, which means paying attention to those early signs of things coming together! We practise gratitude and sense into the difference between healthy and toxic gratitude, we lean into the importance of stopping to reflect and take in the view as we move through our lives, and how it relates to our experience of abundance. Lughnasa is also about leadership and how we bring about abundance from seed to harvest. How can we lead ourselves with greater integrity as we soon enter into a new year cycle?

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. Bring whatever is alive for you in your life at work, home, business, community or leadership. 

SEPTEMBER 2025

AUTUMN EQUINOX: CONSOLIDATION & CELEBRATION

Dates for your diary

11th September Group coaching
25th September FINAL CEREMONY

Both start 7pm CEST

The time has arrived for us to close our cycle together in the Glade. We gather to consolidate and celebrate the shifts we have made and the steps forward we have taken in our lives and self-leadership. Autumn Equinox is all about the ‘double spiral’ – the inner and outer – and we sense into what has changed on the inside as well on the outside, and what is yet to shift on the outside of our lives. The Apple tree invites us to embrace the notion that love truly begins with us, and that in order for us all to be free, we are  to take compassionate action in our service.

Nothing to prepare. Come as you are. 

Meet Your Facilitator

Emily Johnsson, FOUNDER OF WISH TREE
HI! I’M EMILY: LIFELONG CHANGEMAKER, INTUITIVE SPACE HOLDER, SYNTHESISING THINKER, LOVING DISRUPTOR, CREATIVE FACILITATOR, DEEP FEELER, ROOT WORKER, COMMUNITY NURTURER, RITUAL DESIGNER AND HEART-FELT WRITER.

To Wish Tree and the Glade, I bring more than 20 years experience in the fields of human development, learning, transformation and growth. I am a tree-lover and have been a protector of forests since I was a young child. I listen deeply to Nature’s wisdom, seasons and cycles, and often play with the symbolism and folklore of trees in my writings and offerings.

My life mission is to gather people in emotionally intimate, brave spaces, where we re-member to lead ourselves in alignment with life, and together nurture a greater sense of wholeness. I believe in a world where all living being thrives.

OVER THE PAST TWO + DECADES, my life journey has taken me from learning research, to play-based psychosocial work in disaster zones, to trailblazing access, inclusion & belonging in Arts & Culture – to complete surrender during a significant dark night of the soul some 13 years ago. A deep wintering that eventually led me to open the doors to the Wish Tree Academy: a place where for the past 9 years, change creators from all walks of life come to heal deeply, learn soulfully and grow collaboratively in global community around virtual and real-life fires. My heritage is Celtic and Scandinavian, and I currently live in the countryside of southern Sweden with life-partner Rick and Svante the Cat.

The Glade is a place where we come together to practice nourishing, nurturing and strengthening the magic of our life-force energy in community - throughout the seasons.

Through themed monthly live online ceremonies & workshops, creative exercises, group coaching & mentoring, a special ‘tree of the month’, guided meditations, somatic work + playlists to move your body to, monthly newsletters with nourishing recipes & poetry, and a caring community of heart-led change creators, you have an opportunity to:

So that you can:

* CONNECTION * CREATIVITY * CARE *

The Glade isn’t a course, it’s a way of life

What our clients say

Like all our offerings, the Glade is guided by the 4 pillars of the Wish Tree self-leadership model:

Core alignment

What's the unique why, who & what of my changemaker contribution? Whats's the song that wants to sing me and through me? How does my purpose translate into action?

Bigger picture awareness

How does my contribution relate to the bigger moment and movement for change on the planet? Who am I in team humanity?

Self-nourishment

Build a healthy, loving, compassionate, intimate relationship with ourselves. Heal what is holding us back from shining bright and sharing our gifts. Feeling whole, inside-out.

Community

Lean into connection and authentic relating. Practise being seen, heard and held in reciprocal and life-giving ways.

“What is self-leadership? Self-leadership is about taking radical responsibility for ourselves. Who we want to be and how we want to be. Life-serving change in our lives and wider world begins with each of us saying yes to leading ourselves with intention”

Emily Johnsson

This Ancient Forest Glade

life gathered twilight
like flowers
before my weary feet.
she said, these
are the colors born
from the tears you weep,
setting each night
over every mountain of love
and every valley of grief.

death sang to me a melody
composed of every memory
i’ve kept safe, a lullaby
of our laughter and all the stars
in the night.

and so i weep and i sing
beneath the willows
of this ancient forest glade.

i weep and i sing,
unafraid.

 

Investment

Monthly Subscription

investment

25.00 / month

Frequently Asked Questions

If you don’t find the answer you’re looking for. here, please reach out to us at support@wishtree.life and we will gladly help!

The membership starts on 14th November 2024 and ends on 25th September 2025 . You can join any time during the year! 

You are welcome to join the The Glade at any point along the journey which ends on 25th September 2025

14th November Opening Ceremony
21st November Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CET

12th December Group Coaching
19th December Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

16th January Group Coaching
23rd January Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

6th February Ceremony
20th February Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CET

6th March Group Coaching
20th March Ceremony

Both start 7pm CET

10th April Group Coaching
24th April Ceremony

Both start 7pm CEST

8th May Ceremony
22nd May Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

5th June Group Coaching
19th June Ceremony

Both start 7pm CEST

10th July Ceremony
31st July Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

14th August Ceremony
28th August Group Coaching

Both start 7pm CEST

11th September Group coaching
25th September FINAL CEREMONY

Both start 7pm CEST

 

 

 

The monthly investment is €25 and you can cancel your subscription at any time.

Yes, all relevant taxes are included in the monthly price

Yes! Every aspect of the Glade is designed to support us with compassionate inquiry into where we have internalised a colonised mind and way of life and service.

  • The Glade is a remembrance of living and leading in alignment with Nature’s cycles and seasons, of we are all a part.
  • The Glade is a remembrance of ancestral folklore and traditions, counteracting White Cultural Loss and cultural appropriation.
  • In the Glade we remember ourselves and each other, our bodies and hearts as sacred and part of the great web and mystery of life.
  • In the Glade we are held by the wisdom and folklore of trees.
  • In the Glade we nourish ourselves with healthy food recipes and poetry for our souls.
  • In the Glade we unlearn that we must always be ‘on’ , the FOMO and relentless productivity we are subjected to in our everyday lives.
  • In the Glade we interrupt our fierce independence and practise letting ourselves and each other be truly seen and held in community.
  • In the Glade we come to see that the bulk of our thoughts, emotions, judgements and opinions never belonged to us. They were forced upon us by a paradigm where no-one is free.
  • The Glade intentionally has no recorded videos or replays – we practise showing up as we are in community with nothing to prepare or rehearse.
  • In the Glade we intentionally let go of striving and reconnect with our innate Natural abundance.
  • In the Glade we get curious about spiritual bypassing, toxic gratitude and getting stuck in a paradigm of self-care without acting for the care of the whole.
  • In the Glade we practise showing up together in community regularly but only when we feel a call to, we practise a different way of life, where we engage in ritual and being at choice around what our whole being needs and wants.
  • In the Glade we acknowledge the need for connecting with what lights us up, our creativity and quirkiness, and intentionally engage in the practise of celebration as a way to remember our life force energy and to make us resilient. Collective liberation depends on us expressing our radical joy. 

No! Everyone is warmly welcome. As my (Emily’s) heritage is Norse and Celtic, I weave with these traditions and invite other humans of this ancestry to do the same. When we are rooted in our own indigenous and sacred ways of relating to land and life, we can appreciate – rather than appropriate – other traditions. White cultural loss is a function of and an intrinsic part of the colonial paradigm. The more we lose connection to our own linage, the more hollow we become, and the more disconnected we are from Earth. This leads us to seek wholeness outside of ourselves, and to engage in extractive relationships with other cultural or spiritual traditions. In our rituals and ceremonies in the Glade, we invite everyone to bring something from their own traditions to honour and celebrate. We actively reflect on similarities between different Nature aligned ways of being and weaving human culture.

During group coaching circles, please bring what is alive for you that you would like support with right now. For example:

  • The ups and downs of navigating being self-employed or starting a new life-affirming business or offering
  • How to stay grounded as a leader in the workplace when the going gets tough
  • Becoming more visible in sharing your gifts
  • Saying yes and no in the right places for you, at home or at work

In the coaching circle, I will move between coach and mentor, and you may also receive support and input from community members. You can send me questions in advance if you like. And if you want to dive deeper, please feel free to book a 1-2-1 session or a coaching package.

Root-down coaching is when one person in a group coaching setting is invited to or volunteer to be coached deeper 1-2-1 in front of the other group participants on something that they find to be a challenge. It’s an abundant opportunity to be witnessed, held, to dig deep, shift perspectives and move forward with empowered energy.

Yes! You will have the opportunity to invest in 1-2-1 coaching or healing sessions with Emily throughout the year.

No, none of the sessions in The Glade are recorded.

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About Emily & White Supremacy

Emily is a space holder and self-leadership coach to changemakers. She has over 20 years experience in the field of human development, learning and growth, and leads the coaching and consultancy company Wish Tree since 2011. Her work centres around wholeness – whole humans, whole communities, whole organisations, whole ecosystems. A whole world. Her changemakership is therefore dedicated to clearing distortions and fragmentations that relate to our perceptions of separation.

Emily has been exposed to and ‘sat with’ systemic issues around race, racism, privilege and injustice her whole life. She was born in Camden, London, in the late 1970s to a Swedish immigrant single mum and spent her first formative years in a highly culturally and ethnically diverse setting. As a baby, Emily and her mum lived in a bedsit in a shared house with a Black British family. Her first memory of Father Christmas was of him as a Bangladeshi man. Emily’s mum worked with refugee families and in Children’s Homes in inner city London, and since she had no access to child care opportunities, Emily joined her at work. For a while, Emily had an older Black British foster sister called Debbie. She was very often the only white child in the community of children of which she was a part.

Emily moved to Sweden with her mum as a child and as a teenager became involved with, and led, antiracism youth work in her local town through her school and council-initiated networks in the 1990s.

Her mum, who was active in the peace-and- environmental movement and who had been involved as an ally in the civil rights movement in the US on her travels there, introduced her to Black feminist and activist writers such as Alice Walker, Toni Morrison and Audre Lord, and actively taught her about white privilege, white supremacy and the truth of colonialism. She was also taught about the importance of learning from Indigenous wisdom keepers in order to heal and evolve as humanity, and to (in those days) stop climate change.

In contrast, on her father’s side, Emily is of British Colonial descent. Emily’s grandmother was born in Zimbabwe to Scottish sheep-farmers. Her grandfather came from a poor English background but won a scholarship to Cambridge University to study law. As many young British men of his time who sought “adventure, a good job and travel”, Emily’s grandfather joined the colonial service in the final days of the British Empire, and served in several African countries as a high-ranking colonial officer. He spoke Zulu and Emily’s father spoke Swazi and Swahili before being sent to Britain as a child to attend boarding school, thousands of miles away from his parents.

Although Emily did not grow up with her father or his family, she eventually came to know them and have a relationship with them, which involved taking responsibility for understanding and healing her own familial and ancestral relationship to colonialism and white supremacy.

In this process, she came to see, feel and understand first hand and close up, the deeper psychological workings of the system of white supremacy, the colonial mind and its intimate links with narcissism, perfectionism, patriarchy and extractive economies and behaviours.

Between 2003-2015, Emily worked as a learning researcher and Access, Diversity and Inclusion enabler in the Arts & Cultural Sector, deeply rooted in the Convention of the Rights of the Child and the Human Rights Convention. She worked across the U.K and Scandinavia contributing to a number of large scale change projects, self-evaluation initiatives, conferences and trainings such as “Access for All”, “Inspiring Learning for All”, “Belonging – the Voices of London’s Refugees”, “The West Indian Front Room”, “Kultur och Fritid för Alla”, “Vidgat Deltagande”, “In this curriculum I don’t exist”, “In between two worlds – London teenagers’ ideas about Black History, Belonging and being British” to name a few. She worked with a wide range of marginalised communities as well as with leaders and directors holding white privilege, facilitating necessary and brave conversations challenging the status quo.

Emily has worked across many cultures and languages around the world from Sri Lanka to South Africa, Costa Rica and India to Romania and Denmark, continuously reflecting on and challenging white saviour tendencies. In this process has come to observe how white supremacy and racism works differently in different countries depending on context and history.

In 2020, in the wake of the murder of George Floyd, Emily became a loud voice in the Wellness industry by calling in leaders bypassing white supremacy through ‘love and light’ rhetoric, exceptionalism, colourblindness and virtue signalling. She closed down several online coaching circles because white participants were unwilling to dive deeper into their own internalised white supremacy, and rendered the spaces not only additionally unsafe, but traumatising for BIPOC clients. Her platform and large facebook community for coaches and wellbeing facilitators centred BIWOC-led anti-racism conversations as a response.

Emily is a skilled and fiercely loving coach and space-holder with many years experience of creating safe spaces for accountability, healing, integration and growth to take place.

She is dedicated to her own ongoing learning, healing and unlearning of covert white supremacy. Examples of this are continuous learning from a wide range of anti-racism educators, authors and activists from around the world.

This bio has not been written with the intention of centring Emily in the context of Me & White Supremacy, but to transparently share about her background, values, skills and experience in order for you to make a conscious decision to choose her as a space-holder, or not.

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